Scott F. Wolter

July 10, 2019
Scott F. Wolter Author, Forensic Geologist, President of American Petrographic Services, and TV Host of History Channel’s “America Unearthed”  Topic: Runestone Analysis,  Host: Leslie Sharpe
Upcoming Events
7/17/2019  Mike Lloyd, Executive Director of Community Emergency Service: “From Hunger to Hope: The Reality of Community Emergency Service”  Host: Richard Wisland
7/24/2019  Member Mark Stageberg, Retired Attorney and Author:  “Mitsubishi MU2 Killed 5, No 6 People”.
7/31/2019  Jasmine Stringer, Writer, Motivational Workshop Speaker, and WCCO Special Events Contributor:  “Carpe Diem (Seize Your Life)”.  Host:  Dale Borgeson
Herb SchechterHello Ham & Eggers.  Gonna get started a little early.  We have a very interesting speaker today.
Distinguished Guests
Marilyn Sharpe guest of Leslie Sharpe
Ed Janiga guest of Victor Kirsch
1) Dale Borgeson  announced that because Erv Grossman is having mobility problems, a ‘walker tool’ has been inserted into ECC coat room “Labeled for Ham & Eggs Members Only”. 
2) Dave Morgan announced Union Pacific’s largest locomotive ever built will be in town next weekend.  Check it out! 
3) Dan Biersdorf, part of membership program team stated Financial Cost to bring a guest has not changed – remaining $15.  Guest repeat visits will be charged $20 (Scribe suggests check accuracy with Program Membership Team)
4) Herb Schechter announced member Dick England, experiencing health problems and time in Florida, will not be attending this current quarter. 
5) Herb Schechter commented on further awesome performance of recent stock market:  “Yesterday’s ‘pencils’ gained a point!”  Significant Laughter!
Morning Starter Dialog   (adverb)  Farther vs. Further: Usage Guide
Farther and further have been used more or less interchangeably throughout most of their history, but currently, signs of diverging.  As adverbs, continually used interchangeably when ‘distance’ involved.  But, without notion of distance, further is used.  Hope that helps!– President Herb! 
Todays Speaker
Leslie Sharpe introducing todays Speaker, commented he ‘cold called’ per recommendation of club member. 
Scott Wolter – Thank you for wonderful introduction.  And absolutely, loved that discussion on words. 
Per style, several ‘one liners’ from phenomenal fast paced data filled presentation heard follow: 
 -For over century, Kensington Rune stone considered a hoax.  I’m here to tell you, the rune stone is NOT fraudulent.
-Kensington MN is 15 miles SW from Alexandria
-Fall of 1898, stone pulled up under stump.  It contained Scandinavian rune.
-This was NOT a Viking who carved this.  This stone was carved in medieval period.
-Geological examinations, worked closely with retired professors at U of M, Duluth. Studied side of rock with inscriptions, rock indigenous of MN, South of Duluth – metagraywacke.
-Inscriptions were older than 200 years – the 1362 date on stone was considered authentic.  That’s when trouble started!  Nobody before knew anything before Chris (Christopher Columbus)
-Heavily questioned & criticized – but clients still had to write a check.  If I made a mistake, would correct.  Clients simply didn’t like the evidence. 
-Know why I love rocks?  Rocks don’t care, they don’t lie.  The rock told me it was real.  This rock was consistent with 14th Century. 
-Took 5 trips to Sweden to study...
Here, awesome presentation took off far faster than Scribes ‘one liner capturing pen on paper’ could track.
Hypothesis/Projections re WHO, WHERE, WHAT & WHY of 1300 era Gotland, Cistercian Monks, Templar Knights, detailed Mason ladders, geometries, symbols and more rapidly crammed into fascinating 2nd half of presentation.  
Saying above:
-Clergy were only people educated and capable of Rune Stone carving.
-Visiting 99 churches over weeks in Sweden, attention observed by (St) Bernard in 1128, author of Knights Templar charter.
-Over 700 Cistercian Abbeys in 1300’s.  An explosive growth...
-Hooked X symbolism discussed.   Prior scholars didn’t understand. 
MUCH APPLAUSE & APPREACTION for presentation.   Discussions could of lasted MUCH longer.  Time limits on ECC space available had to be enforced. 
Thank you Darrell Bertelson & Dale Borgeson for photos- included in Club Membership weekly Newsletter email distributions.
Scribe comments:
Today’s presentation, continued Ham & Eggs awesome professionally presented each challenged old beliefs (1392), was relevant (foundation of countries forefathers beliefs and who we are/were), and newly invited discussion on current themes.
Unfortunately, too little time for healthy Q&A per ECC time allotment.
Prior to presentation, Scribe promised speaker Ham & Eggs members a dynamic group with no holds barred Questioning of its  Speakers:   Scott simply smiled & said:   “Bring it on!”
Unfortunately – missed healthy Q&A session.   Saying, several awesome Q did sneak in during presentation.
Ron Jensen





Weekly Report

                           July 03, 2019


Todays Speaker:
Michael Wirth-Davis
, President and CEO of Goodwill-Easter Seals Minnesota: Host: Victor Kirsch

Upcoming Events
7/10/2019 Scott F. Wolter Author, 
Forensic Geologist, President of American Services, and TV Host of History Cannel’s “American Unearthed” Topic: Runestone Analysis, Host: Leslie Sharpe

7/17/2019 Mike Lloyd, Executive Director of Community Emergency Service: “From Hunger to Hope: The Reality of Community Emergency Service” Host: Richard Wisland

7/24/2019 Mark Stageberg, Member, retired attorney and author: “Mitsubishi MU2 killed 5, no 6 people”



Meeting opened at 0750

President Herb Schecter opened the meeting giving recognition to all of the members who volunteer to make things happen.

Les Sharpe opined that Scribe Ron Jenkins needs to pass along responsibilities because he is getting burned out.

Wordplay by Herb Schecter

Hangover is the wrath of grapes.
If you dream in color, is that a pigment of your imagination?

Awesome first used in 1598. Various definitions offered. Can be used in many different ways.


Tom announced that an interest in a joint meeting was offered by Chuck Schiller to host “Better Angels”.

Bob advised that Erv Grossman cannot drive anymore and will not return until he can get a ride. So he is not renewing for this quarter. Tom Lovetang is also not renewing for this quarter.

We have arranged with Edina CC to have a walker available for members or guests who may need one. It will be kept in the coat room. This will hopefully make it easier for those who need assistance without them having to bring along their own device.


Vince VanHeuveln, guest of Dick Saliterman

Speaker introduction by Victor Kirsch:

Victor tells us that New Jersey business not so good...mafia has already had to lay offseveral judges.

But why are we here??? Because Ham and Eggs is sit;; the best place in the Twin Cities to start Wednesday morning

Victor introduced Dr. Michael Wirth-Davis, President & CEO of Goodwill-Easter Seals Minnesota (“G-E”).

Dr. Wirth-Davis offered his background including growing up in SanDiego, marrying a Minnnesota woman and being required under the marriage contract to live in Minnesota.

First job was for Gov. Jerry Brown, then in Chicago for Courage Center and then to Goodwill-Easter Seals.

His educational background was focused on rehabilitation of people with traumatic brain injuries. But early on in his career he moved into management (after 10 years). Also teaches as an adjunct professor at both Hamline and the University of Minnesota. His hobby as a master gardener means he likes to make things grow. He has applied this thinking in business as well.

Offered many stats about the social services offered by G-E. G-E is a 501(c)3 organization.

G-E is part of 165 organizations in US, Canada and 13 countries and part of 71 Easter Seals organizations in the US

The Twin Cities operations were founded in 1919 by Rev. Herbert Burgstahler in St. Paul (with help from the Dayton’s). Joined with Easter seals as its Minnesota affiliate in 1984.

G-E has been a leader in employment services for 100 years striving to eliminate barriers to work and independence.

Most common barriers are low income, disabilities, criminal histories and lack of high school GED.

In Minnesota they move 4 people into the workplace every day.

Training and education programs include:
Automotive services, electronics soldering, banking and finance, Medical o
ffice, Construction and Retail (in conjunction with Target)

Other community programs sponsored by G-E: Father Project
Work Incentives Connection

Partners with Habitats for Humanity in the Construction program. Retention rate for people placed in employment is 89%

Retail Stores make the mission possible (to eliminate barriers to work and independence)

There are 45 Goodwill stores in Minnesota
Every Goodwill store provided 40 - 50 jobs in the community

Store model diverts over 50 milllion pounds a year from landfills....very good for the earth.

Minnesotans generate 22.9 million tons of waste a year. Goodwill helps cut into that number.


  1. Is there a national organization - Yes, but the MN organization is autonomous

  2. Is there stuff you wont take? Yes, Batteries, some electronics, refrigerators etc.

  3. Is G-E in competition with other non-profits who operate stores (I.e, Value Village)

No. The store model is meant to provide a flow of funds to support the training and education operations not to compete with other charities.

Next week:

Scott F. Wolter, Author, Topic: Runestone Analysis
Respectively submitted, M. Casserly, Occasional Substitute Scribe

Doug Hoverson 

June 26, 2019
Doug Hoverson, Teacher of History and Debate at Saint Thomas Academy, and Author of “Land of Amber Waters”.  Topic:  “Too Many Breweries?  Today’s Beer Scene in Historic Context”.  Host:  Bob Remakel
Upcoming Events
7/03/2019  Michael Wirth-Davis, President and CEO of Goodwill-Easter Seals Minnesota:  Host:  Victor Kirsch

7/10/2019  Scott F. Wolter Author, Forensic Geologist, President of American Petrographic Services, and TV Host of History Cannel’s “American Unearthed”  Topic: Runestone Analysis,  Host: Leslie Sharpe

7/17/2019  Mike Lloyd, Executive Director of Community Emergency Service: “From Hunger to Hope: The Reality of Community Emergency Service”  Host: Richard Wisland
Dan BiersdorfGood Morning everybody!  Beautiful Day!  

Distinguished Guests
Mary Remakel guest of Bob Remakel
Donovan Schwichtenberg guest of Bob Remakel
Dean L. Rosenow guest of Bob Remakel
Josh Havill guest of Leslie Sharpe
Jim Hidding guest of Victor Kirsch
1) Denny Schustad announced 51st  Anniversary with wife Pam today.  Provided humorous “same place” story (Denny thought would travel & Pam wanted civilized country).  Much Laughter.
2) Bob Lewis announced prior Club Member & President Jim Ullyot passed away.  View link below:
3) Dan Biersdorf stated Wednesday Meeting July 3rd per usual.  Additionally, next week, Herb Schechter is Club’s President.
4) Herb Schechter acknowledged great job Dan Biersdorf performed in past 6 months.   Applause.
5) Dave Morgan introduced Club New Member Gary Harringder.  Welcome Gary! 
Morning Greeting
Victor Kirsch humor:  Two brothers living at home, one brother goes on vacation leaving cat in care of other brother.  Vacationing brother calls home checking status.  OK - The cat died couple days ago.  Was a paw infection after roof rescue!  Oh my!  How’s mom?  Still on roof!   Too Much Laughter...
Then, “Why We’re Here” Victor style!  
Todays Speaker
Bob Remakel hosted today’s remarkable speaker. In introduction, commented he, Bob, taken interest in craft beer after son started pub “Living The Dream”.  The “LTD” business celebrated 5th anniversary in Hopkins recently.
Today’s speaker’s book “Land of Amber Waters” won award recognition.  A home brewer, author, teacher & more:  Doug Hoverson.
Doug Hoverson  Talk today on where industry is going, where we were and have we peaked?
-In 1873, were 4,131 breweries nationwide.  Still, production very small.  Brewery numbers have gone up and down since.
-“Spoiler Alert”, todays brewery numbers rising and I don’t think peaked yet.
-Graph shown - today’s brewery numbers upward ‘off the chart’.  Accurate statistics for numbers in 1872 a problem as historic breweries predate Newspapers in many areas.
-In MN, 103 breweries in 1872 produced 80,473 barrels.  Average was about 780.  
The largest from Stahlmann, still in existence (Schmidt), was 6,487 barrels.
-Vast number beer makers after Civil War came from Germany – they all made beer.
-Early brewery delivery extent was what horse could travel to and from in a day, about-8-10 miles.   Railroads expanded and assisted spread of breweries. Many located in SE part of state.  Transportation critical - Breweries needed source of water & market.
-1870 bottled beer incurred tax laws.  Law stated brewing & bottling be in different buildings enabling monitoring and taxing by barrel.  Revenue officials became a brewery requirement.
-Large breweries created real estate divisions - simply to select outlet locations.
-2nd generation of original brewers ‘ran out of steam’& industry declined.
-Here Doug confesses:  old Whale Brewery Beer –Pale Ale was beer ahead of its time.  Mpls brewed, would have been very popular today.
-By 1985, things changed.  Fewer breweries with those remaining were large.  Still few/no laws on home breweries. They were legal.  Some started to go pro. 
-Small brewery equipment initially didn’t exist.  Brew Pubs able to experiment.  Diversity brought today’s interest & business.
-Today, 180 breweries in MN.  Summit largest  at 123,000 barrels (per yr).  Comparison, Anheuser Busch at 40-50 million barrels.
Concluding:  Here speaker Doug Hoverson (knowledgeable, perfect speaking attributes, humor enabled, easily heard, informative and just overall fun) stated –  “If were later in day, would invite all to go and have a beer!”  (Much Club Laughter & Speaker Appreciation Applause)
Brief Q & A
Q? – Here, Ham & Eggs favorite soliloquy treasure presents near record 1 minute & 5 second (stop watch timed) nearly inaudible historical background proliferation statement & eventual Q.....  Speaker Doug Hoverson stepping closer himself to hear.
A –“That was one incredible detailed Q!”  Significant Laughter...
Speaker, finding Q to respond to answered:   MN & Wisconsin historically differ.  MN slightly higher percentage with distilled spirits and Wisconsin higher with beer. 
Q –Characteristics of beer –micro brewers are mighty hoppy.  Europe beers are more mellow.   What happened to good tasting beer?
A – Can give an explanation.  First must define and defend.  Hoppyness, like chicken wings, can get a lot of hoppy characteristics.  Ale styles experience less brewing time, saying: hops can mask flawed brewings.  My hoppy beers are all well balanced. 
MUCH APPLAUSE & APPRECIATION for fun and informative presentation. 
Thank you Darrell Bertelson & Dale Borgeson for photography.

Ron Jensen

Kathryn Nettleman

June 5, 2019
Kathryn Nettleman, Associate principal Bass, Minnesota Orchestra: 
“Building Music on a Solid Bass”  Host:  Ron Hasselmann
Upcoming Events
6/12/2019  Craig Randal Johnson, Orchestral Conductor, Pianist, Orchestra Organizer and Piano Teacher:  “Minnehaha Music in Edina:  Growing Musical Artistry and Education by Developing a Symphonic Repertory Orchestra”.  Host:  Victor Kirsch
6/19/2019  No Meeting – Summer Party at 6PM
6/26/2019  Doug Hoverson, Teacher of History and Debate at Saint Thomas Academy, and Author of “Land of Amber Waters”.  Topic:  “Too Many Breweries?  Today’s Beer Scene in Historic Context”.  Host:  Bob Remakel
Matt Biersdorf – Good Morning!  I’m running the show today.
Distinguished Guests
Kathy Runchey guest of Fran Runchey
Bill Warner guest of Ron Hasselmann
Barb Bertelson guest of Darrell Bertelson
Sue Larson guest of Sam Larsen

1) Matt Biersdorf   Spring Party is June 19 - 6PM.  Food served will be Hamburger - Buffet/Picnic Style.   Cost $30 per attendee.  Sign up by contacting Bob Lewis if haven’t yet indicated intentions on Sign Up Sheet.
2) Leslie Sharpe, opened with it’s Herb Schechter’s fault, responding to Cliff Erickson’s challenge, reading well tuned Affect/Effect ditty (including sound affects/effects ?) responding to puzzlement from Ron Jensen.   Had to be there friends!  No wait – late incoming!  Here it is: 

To affect your audience, that is to effect a change in their mood: affect indifference to them, or regard them with a surly affect. Rude sound effects may also affect them; but may lead to damage of your personal effects, have permanent effect upon the shape of your nose, and may alter your affect.
Todays Speaker
Ron Hasselmann having retired after 42 years with Minnesota Orchestra has introduced many notable associates to Ham & Eggs over the years.  Names including Jorja Fleezanis (violin), Anthony Ross (cello), Michael Gast (French horn), Sam Bergman (viola), Mary Ann Feldman (orchestra program annotator), Bill Lind (author & B29 pilot) among others.  Today, Ron Hasselmann introduced Kathryn Nettleman, MN Orchestra Associate principal Bass player.
Kathryn Nettleman  Good morning everyone.  Happy to be here today.  A bit nervous – normally speak behind a large double bass.
To start out, I‘m curious.   Have several questions for you: 
  1.  Who of you likes music?   All hands rise.
  2. Who of you has attended an orchestra performance?  Most hands rise.
  3. Who has played an instrument?  Many hands rise.
  4. Who has played in an ensemble with other players?   Several hands rise.
  5. Who has played professionally?   At least 2 hands went up.
I’d like to talk a bit on couple topics & perhaps answer Q about the double bass instrument.  First, the MN Orchestra is 116 yrs old.  Members, as I see self, are temporary stewards.  A small single voice playing in massive ensemble often performing music very old.  A responsibility like a care taker. 
We perform downtown Minneapolis over 100 times a year.  Often play in other cities, other states, sometimes out of country.  We feel we’re a local asset, a mouthpiece to rest of the world – what we do here in Minnesota.
We’re diverse - often play for kids.  Right now, recording the Mahler Symphony’s.  Have done many other composers including popular movie themes.  If come in and never heard an orchestra before and hear music on theme to movie ET, makes lot of folks relate.
I play ‘double bass’ for a living.  The MN Orchestra is one of best in US.  It’s a good job, we get paid well, a great life.  Today have 88 or 89 musicians & with support staff & Board of Directors (funding, etc) a huge number of people enabling me to do my job.
Here Kathryn told a “I’m gonna play in that orchestra!” story.  On perhaps chance, she and husband to be bought tickets to MN Orchestra event – After, totally committed, told him: “I’m gonna play in that orchestra!”
Gaining position is a very competitive process.  Must work hard to get this kind of job.  First audition Jan 2006 were 100’s competing for 2 spots.  In 2008, I won my spot.  Started in 2009.   
Here – a begging percolating Q finally bubbled to top  - someone asked:
Q – How’s a ‘single bass’ different from a ‘double bass’?
A – First, the ‘double bass’ has many names.  But answer, it sorta doubles the chello lines, but notes play an octave lower than what read.
Continuing, a lot of gear involved moving a bass on airplane & costs lot of money.  To assist new candidates, the Orchestra allows tapes for initial interview.  A blind audition shrinks 60 to small number.  This weekend, a (new) trial bass selection in progress.  After 2 year probation period, the selection will become a new member.  Saying this, new members are infrequent. 
A graduate of Juilliard School, New York (Dance, Drama, Music degrees – not Art degrees) I’m basically a trade’s person.
Playing in concert, music is identical to other 6 or 7 around me.  One voice.  A double bass is rarely a solo. It’s the lowest voice in a harmony.  It sets ground for presentation.  Must be very observant, conductor, time, type/quality of attack, end of note, music in front of.  Often play some elements improvised. 
Saying, my job is largely to play exactly what’s on the sheet music.
Here, Kathryn Nettleman played several pieces on double bass instrument. 

1st  Wagner (golden & elegant): a piece from ‘Die Meistersinger von Narnberg Overture’
2nd Saint-Saens: bass solo from ‘Carnival of the Animals’  Comments:  many different instruments play different sounds  The ‘double bass’ plays the elephant, of course.  So you know we’re funny!

Kathryn here explained a part of Mendelssohn’s  ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’  (written at 17 years age) Saint-Saens put exact quote in elephant voice I just played. 
Kathryn showed ‘bowing’ vs ‘plucking’ technique.  Then, insight of rosin on horse  hair before information on double bass she was using.  Did scribe hear correctly?  possibly an 1803 instrument?   
Q & A
Q –Finger board, no frets.  Isn’t it difficult to all play same thing?
A – No - followed by much discussion.  Not just notes, but ear knows pitch.  Saying, I have a pitch tool (metronome) on all time, gives confidence during play. 
Continued discussion – more  players don’t just add volume, the real magic playing together is subtle variety of sound pitch.  And no, I don’t own this bass instrument.  The Orchestra owns 5 of these instruments.  One is a late model, early 1800’s.  One owned is 1600’s vintage.  We’re caretakers.  We’re really careful with these guys! 
Q – Can you play other strings?
A – Not well – You wouldn’t want to hear me.  A different technique – I’m a specialist.  Stopped playing violin in 7th grade & never looked back. 
Q – What do when not making music?
A –People work with have remarkable variety of other things.  Me?  I have a 2&1/2 yr old at home right now.  Much Laughter! 
Q – Two octaves below cello?
A – I have two different basses.  One here today early to mid 1800’s (exact age unknown).  Also, one from modern day.  (Scribe acknowledges disconnect here - transcribing notes)
Q – Influence of conductors?  What expect?
A – Conductors are so many ways required.  Primary pattern of piece played interpretation.  Conductors use bodies so differently.  Great conductors use knowledge & repertoire of all instruments.  Most important, what we call their vision.  We try to do what conductor wants.  Wise conductors will use as few words as possible. 
Q -  Instrument Cost?
A – Many instruments out of bounds of people playing them.
Much Significant Applause! 
Matt Biersdorf presented Kathryn Nettleman with coveted Ham & Eggs coffee mug.
Thank you Darrell Bertelson and Dale Borgeson for photography - included with weekly member mail distributiions.
Thank you Ron Hasselmann for continued superb Club presentations!

Ron Jensen